Crafty (l) Indie?

the term indie is short for independant...so yes I do and a lot of people into alternative music seem to be into alternative ways of doing things even though indie music is now very sceney but its usually fans that haven't got a clue not the musicains.

DIY TILL RIP!!!!

That's exactly what I mean! Aren't all crafters inndependant and alternative deep (or less deep) inside?

The "Indie Scene" is hugely manufactured and based on ridiculously expensive material objects, designer clothes and generic music, so no. But yes, of course crafting is independent.

When Indie started it wasn't a scene the bands were a mix of genres all signed to an independant label, now it's a genre. For example that one on big brother who got kicked out said 'I really like this new thing called 'Indie' ' and it drove me maaaad because the sounds been around for a while and again it was just a word to describe a record label.

Yeah that's why I picked up on the fact that it was "Indie scene", which is the genre, rather than the abbreviation of independent.

God I hate that guy, he was an almighty tool. I watched a video where he and one of the other band members (Towers Of London, wasn't it?) found a very drunk chav in the street and beat the crap out of him including wacking him with a chain. Woo, you're big and hard cause two of you young, fit guys can use a weapon against a defenseless person.

It was hilarius when he was on Never Mind the Buzzcocks.

Didn't they just spend the whole time making fun of him?

I always miss the good ones, like when they made fun of...oh jeez, that guy who I think was also on Big Brother and met some famous stuck up girl on it and they were reading her autobiography on Buzzcocks? I'm so very bad with names..

Edit: I think that actually, crafting goes better with punk, which is basically the same as independent I suppose, but very different to indie

I hate crafting going with punk. DIY OR DIE makes me cringe so bad. I'd choose die over that any day. Am I also the only person who thinks records should be used for playing and not for manipulating into jewellery and other such accessories?

Indie has always been a genre, it's just recently it's come to mean something that is in no way indie whatsoever. Thanks to people like Peaches Geldof and Kate Moss, indie has come into fashion and terrible bands like The Kooks and Pigeon Detectives and *shudders* One Night Only have become adopted by Radio One *Bes sick* just because they're cool.

Those who are really indie generally speaking would hate to be called indie... because of what it is now associated with it. When people go "I'm Amy and I'm an indie" case in point: http://www.bbc.co.uk/switch/them/amy.shtml aren't indie in any sense of the word, literal meaning or genre.

I think Wouter was right and that genuine indie people, those who care less about the skinny-ness of their jeans and the messy-ness of their hair, and more about music and about feeling and not caring too much what others think of the way they go about their daily business, really fit into crafting.

Whenever I see those whose crafts I think are the best, people who don't have to resort to swearing and coming across angry through crafting (Oooh the juxtaposition!) and they can just enjoy crafting for crafting's sake.

*Rant over*

This all leads back to one thing doesn't it... we hate labels.

When I say punk though, I mean what I consider to be punk, not "If I wear anarchy symbols and safety pins, I am punk". For me, punk isn't a stereotype but a concept. I DESPISE the anarchy symbol because it's just a complete oxymoron to put a symbol on rebellion. And the concept of "You can't be punk unless you do this" frustrates me because for me the idea is just...well, doing what you want I guess, being free to do whatever makes you happy. And also a big idea around it is recycling, thrifting, making the most out of what you've got. Punk is really quite similar to hippy..

And I just quite like making things to punk music because it keeps me going at a faster rate haha

Yeah I guess. A lot of the time when I see punk in crafting it is the cliche though.

You craft to punk- I craft to LCD Soundsystem!

I craft to holby city...

I hate the fact that the indie 'scene' was created by girls (well more the media) but its lead by men, uuurgh roles and such!

I think this label business is why I just started wearing what ever I thought was cool and not what made me look a certain way, because I grew up a bit and realised that it doesn't matter what you wear. Even though I do like to think I look like an urban fairy .

Over on another board I occaisonally go on it angers me so much because it's the forum of a band that has been known as a punk band and has been in the media spot light for at least 5 years and they go 'she's not punk any more, why doesn't she scream now' 'I'm a punk because I admire her but I'm my own person and I don't give a shit since I'm on the internet and no one can retaliate properly on the interenet' /rant

p.s congrats Roma on winning the comp I'm so jealous but it was well deserved!! we really don't like labels.

I didn't win- Grace won! I'm a runner up. And thanks anyway )


I don't think the indie scene was created by girls really, it was just glamorised by them. It (the new kooks-lead indie scene) was created by a culmination of things.

yer actually I think people do make that connection.

I just read though the posts and I have to agree with knittin kitten about the anarchy symbol and punks being like hippies. Some girls grafitied the anarchy symbol on a toilet door a whaile back and it bugged me for a reason that I couldn't quite put my finger on...thanks cuz now I can.

oh and sorry Roma, I'll have to dissagree with you about the kooks...I really like them, have for a while now but I think there one of the very few bands I like from that genre...but the whole indie label isn't very big here in OZ as far as I know..so I guess it kind of matters where you live if a label is taking over, actually shiv is the only other person I know thats crafty so thats not very bug either....did that all make sense, I don't think it did.

ooh and one more thing..I've begun to despise the saying " we hate labels/labels are for cans" because it's becomeing fashinable not to care and their are so many people saying that, that it's become a trend...same with caring about animals and the enviroment....ok my rants over...sorry if I got off topic :]