Swappers Agreement/Pledge

Sounds good Dessah, but how much time should we give them to send before we report they we didn't receive our swap with no communication?

Wow I'm impressed with the response from this. I only posted it yesterday evening and only got home from work an hour ago (I work late Tuesdays). Dessah that would be great if you are able to do this.
Now that I've read the rating scale for Swapbot I don't mind the rating idea. I was just worried that it was too subjective but if its rating based on the person meeting the requirements of the swap and whether it was sent then thats fine with me.
Also I remembered Sugar set up something on a separate site for swaps. I'll trawl through the swap threads and see if I can find the link. I signed up and it was being used and was a good way of spotting missing swappers. It may also be worth relooking at that too.
How do others feel when someone holds there hands up and says 'I signed up but can't finish the swap'. I had this on one swap and was okay with this. I'd made the item to be swapped but the fact that they'd communicated made a difference to me. It got rid of some of that bad taste thats left when you post something and hear nothing. I also know that she could have just left the site and said nothing.

That's a tricky question, Creativmind. Maybe 2 weeks if posting within your own country, 3 if international? Seems like a long time to wait though, so I'm not sure.

Creative mind- Please get over our swap. We didn't go into specifics into how much we were sending and I apologized, I did quality over quantity which I'm sorry you didn't appreciate. I didn't blast you all over the boards about how unhappy I was with it and I don't appreciate you continuing to go on about it. I'm not trying to be rude but I'm very sick of you posting about it, and it wasn't that my feelings were hurt. I was embarrassed that you weren't mature enough to message me, instead you start posting about it on many different forums. I've tried to let this drop but you can't seem to. If you really want, feel free to send what I sent you back and I'll send yours back.

With the agreement/pledge, I'm all for it. It would be a good way to keep the swaps more organized and have a history of each swapper. And I agree with rating it based on the requirements of the swap

If I ever do a swap this will be a very good idea... I would happily to be involved in this pledge also

Kirsten, whatever. Jeez, you call me immature when I never mentioned you or what swap it was. Get over yourself.

So Dessah, when are you gonna start this and do we list people that we already know are flakers, or give them one last chance to redeem themselves or what? And I was thinking the same thing about the time limit on the send out. It does seem a bit long, but with things that can come up in life I think it should give people enough time to handle whatever comes up and then get back to the boards. And I was also wondering how do we handle members that join swaps when they have been listed as flakers? Maybe just leave them out of the partners list when the swap is closed, politely let them that they have been banned from the swap and why, what?
Sorry, I wasn't directing all the questions at you. Just bringing up some points that others may have a suggestion to or was wondering the same things.

I'd be up for this pledge
I've been flaked on once in the secret santa swap (http://www.cutoutandkeep.net/board/creative/swap_shop/1447-secret-santa-closed)
and I was really upset, It was my first ever swap. I am very glad I didn't give up swapping! But I came close as the person never apologised and it seems still isn't a very reliable swapper. Maybe an agreement would stop this happening.

This is a great idea.

I dont think we should post the previous flakers,lets just start a blank page and focus on the now ongoing swaps.

Also I think 3 weeks is required for international swapping,because sometimes my package needs two weeks to get there.And its posted in time.So I think we should give enough time to each other before saying someone is a flaker.this could lead to more disagreement if we dont wait enough and jump into calling our partners flakers.
Dessah I think you should write this on the first post that everyone waits enough time and communicates with his partner before putting the name on the list.
Also I can help you with the thread,both of us are online at the same time-all day.

Does stuff not arriving in the post count as flaking? I always worry about packages getting lost! In the U.K. you can ask for a reciept when you hand the package over. It has the weight of the parcel, country it was posted to, and the date and time. Maybe if a parcel doesn't arrive in time we could ask people to scan the reciept with a photograph of their package?

I'm up for it, let me know what i need to do for the pledge! Everyone has some very good points, I'm glad that we are finally doing something about it!

Hey, thanks Vi. Would you prefer to be the "Boss" and I help you? You do kind of have seniority over me.

Neh, the only time when someone is counted as a flaker is when they go MIA. So violetta and Gigi, it will only count if you they haven't sent and stopped communicating.
The reason I asked about posting known flakers now is because I know of a small few that have done it more than once that I know of. It probably is bad to start out the gate with this with them listed, but at least maybe to give them a heads up that they are being watched or something. I don't know, I just hate to give them another chance to do it again.

Dessah you be the boss and Ill help you out!Ill be your evil sidekick! I may start a new school in the next month so If it takes away a lot of my time I can still help out.

I've posted two seperate packages on the same date to the same person in Australia in the past...one arrived after 2 weeks, the other after 5 weeks, so it wouldn't be fair to assume someone a flaker if the parcel is late or doesn't arrive, so I think Gigi's suggestion would be good.

Melissa do you mean you will be up for running it or what? Dessah, violetta if neither one of you don't think you can really do it for any reason, I can do it or Melissa and we can use you ladies as helpers. I'm a stay at home mom too and I'm here everyday so it's not a problem. Just whatever you all decide.